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    Is I0806 still the only DF27 sample in ancient DNA to date?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomenable View Post
    Is I0806 still the only DF27 sample in ancient DNA to date?
    Technically yes, but probably just until R. Rocca and a couple of other guys get into the BAM file data that's embargoed until those 2017 Bell Beaker papers are released in print.

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    Any further update on when some raw data is going to be released?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DillonResearcher View Post
    Any further update on when some raw data is going to be released?
    Not that I have heard.

    They are retesting the Amesbury Archer and evidently have some Bell Beaker samples from Sion in Switzerland to add to the final paper.
     


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    Quote Originally Posted by rms2 View Post
    Not that I have heard.

    They are retesting the Amesbury Archer and evidently have some Bell Beaker samples from Sion in Switzerland to add to the final paper.
    So more delays no doubt but still good news : )

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    How many kits and from what regions will be released finally?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lukaszM View Post
    How many kits and from what regions will be released finally?
    I don't really know. The Amesbury Archer makes one, but I forget how many samples from Sion there are supposed to be. The Archer was buried in Amesbury, Wiltshire, England, but he is supposed to have been born and raised in the alpine region of central Europe. Sion is a Bell Beaker site in Switzerland.
     


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    Detailed archaeological description of Dutch samples is uploaded to academia.edu:

    https://www.academia.edu/34831037/Ex...is_of_old_data

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    Quote Originally Posted by rms2 View Post
    The Archer was buried in Amesbury, Wiltshire, England, but he is supposed to have been born and raised in the alpine region of central Europe.
    Saw a pretty good new NOVA show on the local PBS station (WETA) tonight, "Ghosts of Stonehenge." A lot of on-camera time for Mike Parker Pearson, and a few others had lines now and then. The Amesbury Archer gets some closeup views and discussion, not of his DNA but the tooth enamel stuff is covered. And the interviewed scientist says he was perhaps from someplace up the Rhine, in present Germany. Be that as it may, there are nice views of some beakers, his wrist guard, copper dagger blade, gold hair ornaments, etc. And the conclusions drawn from it all are pretty dramatic. These guys (Beaker people) show up; the culture that was in place for the preceding thousand years gets terminated, and the longtime ceremonial center becomes an upper class cemetery complex.

    Too bad about the lack of DNA, but an interesting and provocative new show.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rozenfeld View Post
    Detailed archaeological description of Dutch samples is uploaded to academia.edu:

    https://www.academia.edu/34831037/Ex...is_of_old_data
    Really cool paper. Is there anything similar for the Amesbury Bell Beaker excavations?

    I noticed a little confusion in the paper concerning the orientation of the bodies. Sometimes the males are said to have been buried on their right sides when pretty obviously the left is meant. One can tell from the photos the males were buried on their left sides, and there are places in the text that say that, but there are a couple of places where they are erroneously said to have been buried on their right sides. Here are two photos from the paper that illustrate what I am talking about:

    Bell Beaker I4068 skeleton 228 R1b-P312.jpg Bell Beaker I4073 skeleton 236 R1b-P312.jpg
     


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