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Thread: (Unofficial) oracle for Eurogenes K36 - 256 reference populations

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    So Jessie's shows more Welsh than Irish now too. An issue with the Irish or Welsh populations perhaps? Ireland is consistently my top population so perhaps the problem might be with that?
    Paper trail ancestry to the best of my knowledge:
    English 28.12%, German 18.75%, Scottish 17.96%, Irish (mostly lowland Scottish origin) 12.5%, French 8.2%, Eastern European 6.25%, Welsh 3.125%, Native American 1.95%, and Colonial American, 3.125%, which cannot be determined with complete certainty: there is Dutch (at least 1.36%) and some English. The rest could include Spanish, Norwegian, German, French, and Native American, but these percentages would be minuscule.

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    Deadly77's nMonte:

    "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCES"
    NE-England Scotland NW-England British_mixed
    5.830700 6.730127 6.825521 7.098576
    SE_England Northern_Ireland England_Cumberland SW-England
    7.336336 7.793083 7.884065 8.052418

    NE-England 56.45
    Central_Dutch 21.40
    North_Dutch 9.15
    SW-England 6.60
    Swiss_Italian 4.15
    Waloon 1.10
    Finnish_East 0.85
    France_Central 0.10
    Flemish 0.10
    IT_Tuscany 0.05
    England_Cumberland 0.05

    NE-England 60.05
    Central_Dutch 22.95
    North_Dutch 9.15
    Swiss_Italian 4.25
    SW-England 3.60
    Waloon 0.00

    Attachment 17542Attachment 17543

    Incredibly good match for his known ancestry IMO.
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    Paper trail ancestry to the best of my knowledge:
    English 28.12%, German 18.75%, Scottish 17.96%, Irish (mostly lowland Scottish origin) 12.5%, French 8.2%, Eastern European 6.25%, Welsh 3.125%, Native American 1.95%, and Colonial American, 3.125%, which cannot be determined with complete certainty: there is Dutch (at least 1.36%) and some English. The rest could include Spanish, Norwegian, German, French, and Native American, but these percentages would be minuscule.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lukaszM View Post
    Dewsloth['s Dad]

    Code:
    [1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCES"
         German_West    South_Germany     Swiss_German          Flemish 
            5.912922         6.007617         6.434004         7.056256 
         South_Dutch           Waloon France_NorthEast France_NorthWest 
            7.485949         7.558220         7.659530         7.996311
    unrestricted

    North_Dutch 34.95
    France_Central 20.45
    IT_Piedmont 16.40
    Bosnian 9.45
    France_NorthEast 6.30
    IT_Tuscany 3.55
    France_NorthWest 3.35
    North_Dagestan 2.00
    Druze 1.60
    IT_Aosta 1.05
    Kosovo 0.50
    Georgian_Svan 0.30
    Finnish_East 0.10

    restricted

    North_Dutch 35.30
    France_Central 21.35
    IT_Piedmont 16.50
    Bosnian 9.80
    France_NorthEast 6.45
    IT_Tuscany 4.20
    France_NorthWest 2.50
    North_Dagestan 2.25
    Druze 1.65
    Thank you! Huh, so the Bosnian, Dagestani and Druze components I'm assuming come from the Ashkenazi portion of Dad's ancestry, and probably a fair portion of the Italian, too.
    The rest is a Celtic/Germanic blend across NW Europe.
    R1b (aka M343) > M269 > L23 > L51 > L11 > P312 > DF19 > DF88 > FGC11833 > S4281 > S4268 > Z17112 (S17075-, L644-)

    Archaeological cousin: 6DRIF-23 of Driffield Terrace Roman Cemetery, York (Z17112+, S17075+, L644-)

    Known ancestors: Francis Cooke (I-M223/I2a2a) b. 1583; John Wing (U106) b. 1584; Richard Warren (M269Hidden Content ) b.c. 1578; Elizabeth Walker (Warren) (H1j mtDNA) b. 1583; John Mead b.c. 1634 (I2a1/P37.2)

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    Quote Originally Posted by lukaszM View Post
    Only 6 kits but with only Welsh GEDCOM in Gedmatch. It is the smallest reference among British ones.
    Sorry, I don't really know much about Gedmatch. Do you mean that 6 Welsh people have uploaded their genetic data to Gedmatch? How does the whole thing work? What qualifies the kits as Welsh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by avalon View Post
    What qualifies the kits as Welsh?
    Information about their family trees / genealogy / ancestors.

    GEDCOM shows pedigree with info about origins of ancestors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sktibo View Post
    If we're looking at it from an Isles only perspective I don't think that's entirely true, while I think it's a safe bet to state the Irish and Scottish are closely related, it's not so certain with the Welsh, for example the Irish travellers PCA graph indicates they are not closely related in terms of British isles populations.
    I think Irish and Welsh are similar in the sense that both are probably largely descended from the same Bell Beaker Bronze Age source population. If you look at the admixture K=6 from the Irish travellers paper then their ancestry profiles are very similar, as is Scotland.

    But you are right, on the PCA they are separated, which I guess is simply down to the passage of time since the BA and genetic drift taking effect.

    srep42187-f2.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by avalon View Post
    I think Irish and Welsh are similar in the sense that both are probably largely descended from the same Bell Beaker Bronze Age source population. If you look at the admixture K=6 from the Irish travellers paper then their ancestry profiles are very similar, as is Scotland.

    But you are right, on the PCA they are separated, which I guess is simply down to the passage of time since the BA and genetic drift taking effect.

    srep42187-f2.jpg
    Even the English are largely descended from the same Bell Beaker stock as I understand it, it is very interesting what genetic drift seems to be capable of.
    Paper trail ancestry to the best of my knowledge:
    English 28.12%, German 18.75%, Scottish 17.96%, Irish (mostly lowland Scottish origin) 12.5%, French 8.2%, Eastern European 6.25%, Welsh 3.125%, Native American 1.95%, and Colonial American, 3.125%, which cannot be determined with complete certainty: there is Dutch (at least 1.36%) and some English. The rest could include Spanish, Norwegian, German, French, and Native American, but these percentages would be minuscule.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sktibo View Post
    If we're looking at it from an Isles only perspective I don't think that's entirely true, while I think it's a safe bet to state the Irish and Scottish are closely related, it's not so certain with the Welsh, for example the Irish travellers PCA graph indicates they are not closely related in terms of British isles populations.
    Actually the Irish are probably more closely related to the Welsh than they are to the Scots. The Scottish group that the Irish are most closely related to are the Highland Scots who are descended from sixth century Irish invaders. The Irish are not so closely related to other Scottish groups.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kevinduffy View Post
    Actually the Irish are probably more closely related to the Welsh than they are to the Scots. The Scottish group that the Irish are most closely related to are the Highland Scots who are descended from sixth century Irish invaders. The Irish are not so closely related to other Scottish groups.
    I don't think you're correct. Can you please share more about why you think this?
    Paper trail ancestry to the best of my knowledge:
    English 28.12%, German 18.75%, Scottish 17.96%, Irish (mostly lowland Scottish origin) 12.5%, French 8.2%, Eastern European 6.25%, Welsh 3.125%, Native American 1.95%, and Colonial American, 3.125%, which cannot be determined with complete certainty: there is Dutch (at least 1.36%) and some English. The rest could include Spanish, Norwegian, German, French, and Native American, but these percentages would be minuscule.

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    Quote Originally Posted by avalon View Post
    I think Irish and Welsh are similar in the sense that both are probably largely descended from the same Bell Beaker Bronze Age source population.
    The Irish and the Welsh also speak Celtic languages which may indicate that they share common ancestors more recently than the Bell Beakers.

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