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    Quote Originally Posted by Tolan View Post
    I think you have averages for these two regions:
    NW France 6: 2 Bretons(rather east) + 2 Normands + 2 Breton/Normand
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    Quote Originally Posted by Camulogène Rix View Post
    Very funny indeed! your paternal grandfather was 50% German Swiss and 50% from South Baden and he looked like an old Basque.
    He may have been a rather unstable Germanic-south Celtic mix. His Swiss father was a classic Germanic "Reihengräbertyp":

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    His mother from South Baden looked more southern, Dinaro-Alpine:

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    His maternal grandfather looked even more southern:

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    So somewhat counterintuitively, his German ancestry appears to have been more Celtic and southern than his Swiss ancestry. But it makes sense, considering his father was from the Rhine valley, which was like a highway for Germanic migrations. While the mountainous, wooded Black Forest acted like a refugium for older populations. And according to Tacitus this part of Germania, the Agri decumates, were settled with adventurous Celts from the interior of Gaul.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tolan View Post
    I think you have averages for these two regions:
    NW France 6: 2 Bretons(rather east) + 2 Normands + 2 Breton/Normand
    NE France 6: 4 du Nord (Lille) + 1 Picardie/Bourgogne + 1 75%Nord/25%Auvergne


    South France 4 : 2 Rhones-Alpes + 1 PACA + 1 Midi-Pyrénées:
    0,41 0,00 0,07 7,03 0,00 5,52 0,00 0,00 2,96 0,00 3,17 1,29 3,30 2,78 5,64 21,53 0,23 17,23 0,00 0,25 0,22 10,19 1,23 11,36 0,00 0,00 0,06 0,00 0,00 0,00 0,00 0,00 0,34 0,00 0,00 5,21

    Cderory and Erwan had given several members of their family, who was 100% local .
    I think you had recovered their results.
    I give them to you anyway:
    Loire (Rhones-Alpes): 3
    0,00 0,00 0,85 2,89 0,00 3,24 0,00 0,00 4,87 0,00 6,30 0,77 1,51 2,50 6,56 20,66 0,00 14,41 0,00 1,45 0,00 11,57 0,16 14,02 0,00 0,00 0,00 0,00 0,00 0,00 0,08 0,00 0,00 0,00 0,22 7,92

    West-Brittany: 7
    0,11 0,00 0,05 3,27 0,00 7,56 0,00 0,00 2,56 0,00 4,76 0,00 5,48 3,92 8,95 18,35 0,00 8,41 0,00 0,00 0,01 17,22 2,39 15,94 0,00 0,00 0,00 0,00 0,00 0,06 0,26 0,00 0,62 0,00 0,07 0,01
    I combined your averages with Lazaridis2016, and few my regional kits. I think it's better now. Least Square is more in line with your ancestry but in Gaussian we have plenty of West Britanny combined with Iberian and Central/ East Euro maybe it also makes sense and it's deeper ancestry?

    And I must redraw French regions on the map again

    Least-squares method.
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    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 France_NorthWest @ 8,674589
    2 France_NorthEast @ 8,819983
    3 FR_West_Britanny @ 9,342359
    4 Swiss_German @ 10,050247
    5 Waloon @ 10,149807
    6 France_Central @ 10,839868
    7 South_Germany @ 10,933235
    8 Flemish @ 10,999415
    9 German_West @ 11,003546
    10 South_Dutch @ 11,187855
    11 England_Cumberland @ 12,634344
    12 France_South @ 13,354512
    13 SW-England @ 13,400924
    14 Austria_Tyrol @ 13,477642
    15 British_mixed @ 13,540659
    16 NW-England @ 13,558225
    17 SE_England @ 13,683517
    18 FR_West @ 13,702154
    19 Austria @ 13,921067
    20 Welsh @ 14,08076
    365 iterations.
    
    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 France_Central+FR_West_Britanny @ 6,636406
    2 FR_West_Britanny+Swiss_German @ 6,637551
    3 IT_Friuli+FR_West_Britanny @ 6,692628
    4 IT_Veneto+FR_West_Britanny @ 6,80665
    5 IT_Piedmont+FR_West_Britanny @ 6,954769
    6 IT_Piedmont+Scotland @ 7,065757
    7 Swiss_Italian+Scotland @ 7,092661
    8 FR_West_Britanny+France_NorthEast @ 7,282448
    9 FR_West_Britanny+Austria_Tyrol @ 7,28569
    10 IT_Aosta+Scotland @ 7,364255
    11 France_Central+Scotland @ 7,375184
    12 FR_West_Britanny+South_Germany @ 7,39003
    13 Portugal+Scotland @ 7,411115
    14 IT_North+Scotland @ 7,441354
    15 IT_Friuli+Ireland @ 7,503419
    16 IT_Friuli+SW-England @ 7,555077
    17 IT_Friuli+Scotland @ 7,590944
    18 IT_Aosta+FR_West_Britanny @ 7,591818
    19 IT_Friuli+FR_West @ 7,613791
    20 France_Central+Welsh @ 7,660399
    66795 iterations.
    
    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% Scotland +25% IT_Friuli +25% Spain_Valencia @ 5,884652
    2 50% FR_West_Britanny +25% IT_Friuli +25% France_Central @ 5,88861
    3 50% FR_West_Britanny +25% IT_Friuli +25% France_NorthWest @ 5,924135
    4 50% FR_West_Britanny +25% IT_Piedmont +25% Austria @ 5,935597
    5 50% FR_West_Britanny +25% IT_Friuli +25% France_NorthEast @ 5,953146
    6 50% Scotland +25% Spain_Valencia +25% Montenegro @ 5,980502
    7 50% FR_West_Britanny +25% France_Central +25% Austria @ 5,991737
    8 50% FR_West_Britanny +25% IT_Friuli +25% Swiss_German @ 6,000241
    9 50% FR_West_Britanny +25% IT_Friuli +25% FR_West_Britanny @ 6,012872
    10 50% FR_West_Britanny +25% IT_Piedmont +25% South_Germany @ 6,022653
    11 50% Scotland +25% IT_Friuli +25% Asturia @ 6,02982
    12 50% Scotland +25% Asturia +25% Montenegro @ 6,035478
    13 50% FR_West_Britanny +25% IT_Friuli +25% South_Germany @ 6,081024
    14 50% Scotland +25% Swiss_Italian +25% Spain_Valencia @ 6,08255
    15 50% FR_West_Britanny +25% France_Central +25% Serbian @ 6,084535
    16 50% FR_West_Britanny +25% IT_Piedmont +25% FR_West_Britanny @ 6,088519
    17 50% Scotland +25% Albania_FYROM +25% Spain_Centabria @ 6,102772
    18 50% Scotland +25% Albania_FYROM +25% Spain_Valencia @ 6,118464
    19 50% Scotland +25% Swiss_Italian +25% Asturia @ 6,118958
    20 50% FR_West_Britanny +25% IT_Veneto +25% France_Central @ 6,127338
    14588971 iterations.
    
    Using 4 populations approximation:
    1 IT_Friuli+France_Central+FR_West_Britanny+Scotland @ 5,397821
    2 Asturia+FR_West_Britanny+Scotland+Montenegro @ 5,44508
    3 Asturia+FR_West_Britanny+Scotland+Serbian @ 5,481437
    4 Spain_Valencia+FR_West_Britanny+Scotland+Montenegro @ 5,526258
    5 Spain_Valencia+FR_West_Britanny+Scotland+Serbian @ 5,547377
    6 IT_Friuli+Spain_Valencia+FR_West_Britanny+Scotland @ 5,584288
    7 Asturia+FR_West_Britanny+Scotland+Austria_Tyrol @ 5,589099
    8 IT_Friuli+Asturia+FR_West_Britanny+Scotland @ 5,600237
    9 IT_Friuli+Portugal+FR_West_Britanny+Scotland @ 5,611663
    10 Spain_Valencia+FR_West_Britanny+Scotland+Austria_Tyrol @ 5,629025
    11 Asturia+FR_West_Britanny+Scotland+West_Serbian @ 5,642677
    12 IT_Friuli+FR_West_Britanny+France_South+Scotland @ 5,651682
    13 Spain_Valencia+FR_West_Britanny+Scotland+West_Serbian @ 5,685162
    14 Spain_Centabria+FR_West_Britanny+Scotland+Montenegro @ 5,686796
    15 IT_Friuli+Spain_Galicia+FR_West_Britanny+Scotland @ 5,690208
    16 IT_Veneto+Asturia+FR_West_Britanny+Scotland @ 5,69275
    17 Spain_Galicia+FR_West_Britanny+Scotland+Austria_Tyrol @ 5,694369
    18 IT_Piedmont+France_Central+FR_West_Britanny+Scotland @ 5,732248
    19 Portugal+FR_West_Britanny+Scotland+Montenegro @ 5,735062
    20 Spain_Andalusia+FR_West_Britanny+Scotland+Montenegro @ 5,756162
    21 Spain_Centabria+FR_West_Britanny+Scotland+Serbian @ 5,762372
    22 IT_Friuli+Spain_Andalusia+FR_West_Britanny+Scotland @ 5,775434
    23 Portugal+FR_West_Britanny+Scotland+Serbian @ 5,777645
    24 IT_Veneto+Spain_Valencia+FR_West_Britanny+Scotland @ 5,785793
    25 Spain_Catalan+FR_West_Britanny+Scotland+Montenegro @ 5,800604
    26 Asturia+FR_West_Britanny+Scotland+Macedonia_FYROM @ 5,803333
    27 Spain_Valencia+FR_West_Britanny+Scotland+Austria @ 5,805283
    28 Spain_average+FR_West_Britanny+Scotland+Austria_Tyrol @ 5,809794
    29 Spain_Galicia+FR_West_Britanny+Scotland+Montenegro @ 5,812139
    30 Asturia+FR_West_Britanny+Scotland+Bosnian @ 5,812944
    31 IT_Veneto+Portugal+FR_West_Britanny+Scotland @ 5,824339
    32 Spain_Andalusia+FR_West_Britanny+Scotland+Austria_Tyrol @ 5,830649
    33 Spain_Andalusia+FR_West_Britanny+Scotland+Serbian @ 5,830909
    34 Spain_Valencia+FR_West_Britanny+Scotland+Macedonia_FYROM @ 5,834344
    35 Spain_average+FR_West_Britanny+Scotland+Montenegro @ 5,837409
    36 IT_Friuli+Spain_average+FR_West_Britanny+Scotland @ 5,837457
    37 Albania_Montenegro+Asturia+FR_West_Britanny+Scotland @ 5,845239
    38 Spain_Catalan+FR_West_Britanny+Scotland+Serbian @ 5,846706
    39 IT_Veneto+Spain_Galicia+FR_West_Britanny+Scotland @ 5,851791
    40 Asturia+FR_West_Britanny+Scotland+Austria @ 5,852299
    245553880 iterations.

    Gaussian method.
    Code:
    Noise dispersion set to 0,130062
    
    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 South_Dutch @ 3,765268
    2 Flemish @ 4,061599
    3 Waloon @ 4,266994
    4 Swiss_German @ 4,307332
    5 SE_England @ 4,557807
    6 France_NorthEast @ 4,581175
    7 British_mixed @ 4,607776
    8 Central_Dutch @ 4,690138
    9 South_Germany @ 4,698688
    10 England_Cumberland @ 4,710256
    11 Welsh @ 4,747646
    12 German_West @ 4,783698
    13 France_Central @ 4,791526
    14 France_South @ 4,838274
    15 France_NorthWest @ 4,842969
    16 Austria_Tyrol @ 4,993317
    17 NW-England @ 5,132889
    18 Austria @ 5,140379
    19 German_North @ 5,186058
    20 Northern_Ireland @ 5,218275
    365 iterations.
    
    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 South_Dutch+South_Dutch @ 3,765268
    2 FR_West_Britanny+Swiss_German @ 3,858048
    3 Spain_Centabria+Welsh @ 3,867909
    4 France_South+Welsh @ 3,874288
    5 South_Dutch+Welsh @ 3,882241
    6 Flemish+South_Dutch @ 3,915172
    7 France_Central+South_Dutch @ 3,918541
    8 Spain_Centabria+South_Dutch @ 3,92574
    9 FR_West_Britanny+South_Dutch @ 3,926864
    10 Spain_Centabria+FR_West_Britanny @ 3,928566
    11 FR_West_Britanny+France_South @ 3,933652
    12 FR_West_Britanny+Flemish @ 3,975063
    13 France_South+South_Dutch @ 3,981987
    14 Welsh+Swiss_German @ 3,989811
    15 South_Dutch+Swiss_German @ 3,998761
    16 South_Dutch+England_Cumberland @ 4,010576
    17 Flemish+Welsh @ 4,029132
    18 Waloon+South_Dutch @ 4,035915
    19 France_South+Scotland @ 4,044619
    20 South_Dutch+SE_England @ 4,046153
    66795 iterations.
    
    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% FR_West_Britanny +25% Spain_Centabria +25% PL_Wielkopolska @ 3,231253
    2 50% FR_West_Britanny +25% Spain_Centabria +25% Ukraine_Volhyn @ 3,253791
    3 50% FR_West_Britanny +25% Spain_Centabria +25% South_Dutch @ 3,315085
    4 50% South_Dutch +25% Spain_Centabria +25% FR_West_Britanny @ 3,324669
    5 50% FR_West_Britanny +25% Spain_Centabria +25% Ukraine_Zythomir @ 3,337023
    6 50% FR_West_Britanny +25% Spain_Centabria +25% PL_Upper_Silesia @ 3,362321
    7 50% FR_West_Britanny +25% Spain_Centabria +25% German_East @ 3,362659
    8 50% FR_West_Britanny +25% Spain_Centabria +25% Central_Dutch @ 3,376777
    9 50% South_Dutch +25% Spain_Centabria +25% Welsh @ 3,384275
    10 50% FR_West_Britanny +25% Spain_Centabria +25% Welsh @ 3,389434
    11 50% FR_West_Britanny +25% Spain_Centabria +25% PL_Mazovia @ 3,401069
    12 50% FR_West_Britanny +25% Spain_Centabria +25% Ukraine_Kharkov @ 3,401106
    13 50% FR_West_Britanny +25% Spain_Centabria +25% North_Dutch @ 3,40239
    14 50% FR_West_Britanny +25% Spain_Centabria +25% FR_West_Britanny @ 3,40704
    15 50% FR_West_Britanny +25% Spain_Centabria +25% Ukraine_Poltava @ 3,409706
    16 50% FR_West_Britanny +25% Spain_Centabria +25% Pl_north @ 3,410824
    17 50% FR_West_Britanny +25% Spain_Centabria +25% PL_Behar @ 3,421895
    18 50% FR_West_Britanny +25% Spain_Centabria +25% SE_England @ 3,422555
    19 50% FR_West_Britanny +25% Spain_Centabria +25% German_North @ 3,422739
    20 50% FR_West_Britanny +25% Spain_Centabria +25% Sorb_Lusatia @ 3,437072
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    lukaszM, Do you plan to add more samples for Poland, Belarus, Ukraine, Russia in the near future?
    By comparing my latest results using your oracle to the previous results I can see that you have added Volhynia region.
    Apart from that there is not much of a difference for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jessie View Post
    Hi lukaszM - Could you update my oracle? Time permitting of course. Thanks.

    Population
     

    Amerindian -
    Arabian -
    Armenian -
    Basque 0.88
    Central_African -
    Central_Euro 8.43
    East_African -
    East_Asian -
    East_Balkan 3.84
    East_Central_Asian -
    East_Central_Euro 5.14
    East_Med -
    Eastern_Euro 6.80
    Fennoscandian 7.54
    French 8.34
    Iberian 14.23
    Indo-Chinese -
    Italian 0.69
    Malayan -
    Near_Eastern -
    North_African -
    North_Atlantic 21.03
    North_Caucasian 1.33
    North_Sea 19.48
    Northeast_African -
    Oceanian -
    Omotic -
    Pygmy -
    Siberian -
    South_Asian -
    South_Central_Asian -
    South_Chinese -
    Volga-Ural 0.32
    West_African -
    West_Caucasian 1.95
    West_Med -
    Better than before or the same?

    Irish and Scottish averages are now from official study completely.

    Least-squares method.
    Code:
    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Ireland @ 6,367809
    2 Welsh @ 6,809912
    3 Orcadian @ 7,289811
    4 FR_West @ 7,873383
    5 Northern_Ireland @ 8,081213
    6 British_mixed @ 8,387644
    7 Scotland @ 8,935023
    8 SW-England @ 9,72945
    9 England_Cumberland @ 10,09485
    10 NW-England @ 10,435575
    365 iterations.
    
    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 Ireland+Welsh @ 6,224214
    2 Ireland+Ireland @ 6,367809
    3 FR_West+Scotland @ 6,497721
    4 Ireland+Orcadian @ 6,502706
    5 Ireland+Scotland @ 6,560622
    6 Scotland+Welsh @ 6,756985
    7 Welsh+Welsh @ 6,809912
    8 FR_West+Ireland @ 6,841707
    9 Orcadian+Welsh @ 6,8748
    10 Northern_Ireland+Ireland @ 6,92604
    66795 iterations.
    
    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% Ireland +25% Scotland +25% Welsh @ 6,043949
    2 50% Ireland +25% Scotland +25% Iceland @ 6,090606
    3 50% Ireland +25% Ireland +25% Scotland @ 6,124366
    4 50% Ireland +25% FR_West +25% Scotland @ 6,144294
    5 50% FR_West +25% Scotland +25% Iceland @ 6,152694
    6 50% Welsh +25% Ireland +25% Scotland @ 6,157218
    7 50% Ireland +25% Ireland +25% Iceland @ 6,183996
    8 50% Ireland +25% Ireland +25% Welsh @ 6,201987
    9 50% Ireland +25% Orcadian +25% Scotland @ 6,2168
    10 50% Ireland +25% Welsh +25% Welsh @ 6,224214
    15495150 iterations.
    
    Using 4 populations approximation:
    1 FR_West+Ireland+Scotland+Iceland @ 6,029959
    2 Ireland+Ireland+Scotland+Welsh @ 6,043949
    3 Ireland+Ireland+Scotland+Iceland @ 6,090606
    4 Ireland+Ireland+Ireland+Scotland @ 6,124366
    5 FR_West+Ireland+Scotland+Welsh @ 6,142101
    6 FR_West+Ireland+Ireland+Scotland @ 6,144294
    7 FR_West+FR_West+Scotland+Iceland @ 6,152694
    8 Ireland+Scotland+Welsh+Welsh @ 6,157218
    9 Ireland+Ireland+Ireland+Iceland @ 6,183996
    10 FR_West+Ireland+Scotland+Norway @ 6,188291
    11 Ireland+Ireland+Ireland+Welsh @ 6,201987
    12 Ireland+Ireland+Orcadian+Scotland @ 6,2168
    13 Ireland+Ireland+Welsh+Welsh @ 6,224214
    14 Ireland+Ireland+Scotland+Norway @ 6,254174
    15 Ireland+Scotland+Welsh+Iceland @ 6,262802
    16 Ireland+Ireland+Welsh+Iceland @ 6,266036
    17 FR_West+Ireland+Ireland+Iceland @ 6,267142
    18 FR_West+Ireland+Orcadian+Scotland @ 6,268776
    19 Ireland+Orcadian+Scotland+Welsh @ 6,274275
    20 FR_West+Scotland+Welsh+Iceland @ 6,280064
    270048269 iterations.

    Gaussian method.
    Code:
    Noise dispersion set to 0,130062
    
    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Northern_Ireland @ 3,480106
    2 Welsh @ 3,51282
    3 Ireland @ 3,551729
    4 NE-England @ 3,747376
    5 FR_West @ 3,752028
    6 Orcadian @ 3,79415
    7 British_mixed @ 3,837879
    8 Norway @ 3,963829
    9 NW-England @ 4,01821
    10 England_Cumberland @ 4,13841
    365 iterations.
    
    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 Northern_Ireland+Northern_Ireland @ 3,480106
    2 Northern_Ireland+Welsh @ 3,48053
    3 Northern_Ireland+Ireland @ 3,484277
    4 NE-England+Welsh @ 3,492244
    5 Ireland+Welsh @ 3,498547
    6 Welsh+Welsh @ 3,51282
    7 Ireland+Ireland @ 3,551729
    8 Northern_Ireland+Orcadian @ 3,568524
    9 North_Dutch+Northern_Ireland @ 3,588519
    10 Northern_Ireland+NE-England @ 3,596382
    66795 iterations.
    
    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% Ireland +25% Ireland +25% Pl_Kashubians @ 3,321284
    2 50% Ireland +25% Northern_Ireland +25% Pl_Kashubians @ 3,350691
    3 50% Ireland +25% NE-England +25% Pl_Kashubians @ 3,355484
    4 50% Northern_Ireland +25% Ireland +25% Pl_Kashubians @ 3,375553
    5 50% NE-England +25% Ireland +25% Pl_Kashubians @ 3,377875
    6 50% NE-England +25% NE-England +25% Pl_Kashubians @ 3,378082
    7 50% NE-England +25% FR_West_Britanny +25% Pl_Kashubians @ 3,38992
    8 50% Ireland +25% Welsh +25% Pl_Kashubians @ 3,390103
    9 50% Northern_Ireland +25% Northern_Ireland +25% Pl_Kashubians @ 3,398743
    10 50% NE-England +25% NE-England +25% PL_Wielkopolska @ 3,400656
    16526387 iterations.
    
    Using 4 populations approximation:
    1 Ireland+Ireland+Ireland+Pl_Kashubians @ 3,321284
    2 Northern_Ireland+Ireland+Ireland+Pl_Kashubians @ 3,350691
    3 Ireland+Ireland+NE-England+Pl_Kashubians @ 3,355484
    4 Northern_Ireland+Northern_Ireland+Ireland+Pl_Kashubians @ 3,375553
    5 Ireland+NE-England+NE-England+Pl_Kashubians @ 3,377875
    6 NE-England+NE-England+NE-England+Pl_Kashubians @ 3,378082
    7 Northern_Ireland+Ireland+NE-England+Pl_Kashubians @ 3,388965
    8 FR_West_Britanny+NE-England+NE-England+Pl_Kashubians @ 3,38992
    9 Ireland+Ireland+Welsh+Pl_Kashubians @ 3,390103
    10 Northern_Ireland+Northern_Ireland+Northern_Ireland+Pl_Kashubians @ 3,398743
    11 NE-England+NE-England+NE-England+PL_Wielkopolska @ 3,400656
    12 NE-England+NE-England+Welsh+Pl_Kashubians @ 3,403275
    13 FR_West_Britanny+Ireland+NE-England+Pl_Kashubians @ 3,405681
    14 Ireland+NE-England+Welsh+Pl_Kashubians @ 3,407857
    15 FR_West_Britanny+Ireland+Ireland+Pl_Kashubians @ 3,407916
    16 Ireland+Ireland+Ireland+Ukraine_Zythomir @ 3,410361
    17 Northern_Ireland+NE-England+NE-England+Pl_Kashubians @ 3,413395
    18 Northern_Ireland+Northern_Ireland+NE-England+Pl_Kashubians @ 3,414422
    19 Ireland+NE-England+NE-England+PL_Wielkopolska @ 3,419676
    20 Northern_Ireland+Ireland+Welsh+Pl_Kashubians @ 3,420623
    507071728 iterations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lukaszM View Post
    Better than before or the same?

    Irish and Scottish averages are now from official study completely.

    Least-squares method.
    Code:
    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Ireland @ 6,367809
    2 Welsh @ 6,809912
    3 Orcadian @ 7,289811
    4 FR_West @ 7,873383
    5 Northern_Ireland @ 8,081213
    6 British_mixed @ 8,387644
    7 Scotland @ 8,935023
    8 SW-England @ 9,72945
    9 England_Cumberland @ 10,09485
    10 NW-England @ 10,435575
    365 iterations.
    
    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 Ireland+Welsh @ 6,224214
    2 Ireland+Ireland @ 6,367809
    3 FR_West+Scotland @ 6,497721
    4 Ireland+Orcadian @ 6,502706
    5 Ireland+Scotland @ 6,560622
    6 Scotland+Welsh @ 6,756985
    7 Welsh+Welsh @ 6,809912
    8 FR_West+Ireland @ 6,841707
    9 Orcadian+Welsh @ 6,8748
    10 Northern_Ireland+Ireland @ 6,92604
    66795 iterations.
    
    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% Ireland +25% Scotland +25% Welsh @ 6,043949
    2 50% Ireland +25% Scotland +25% Iceland @ 6,090606
    3 50% Ireland +25% Ireland +25% Scotland @ 6,124366
    4 50% Ireland +25% FR_West +25% Scotland @ 6,144294
    5 50% FR_West +25% Scotland +25% Iceland @ 6,152694
    6 50% Welsh +25% Ireland +25% Scotland @ 6,157218
    7 50% Ireland +25% Ireland +25% Iceland @ 6,183996
    8 50% Ireland +25% Ireland +25% Welsh @ 6,201987
    9 50% Ireland +25% Orcadian +25% Scotland @ 6,2168
    10 50% Ireland +25% Welsh +25% Welsh @ 6,224214
    15495150 iterations.
    
    Using 4 populations approximation:
    1 FR_West+Ireland+Scotland+Iceland @ 6,029959
    2 Ireland+Ireland+Scotland+Welsh @ 6,043949
    3 Ireland+Ireland+Scotland+Iceland @ 6,090606
    4 Ireland+Ireland+Ireland+Scotland @ 6,124366
    5 FR_West+Ireland+Scotland+Welsh @ 6,142101
    6 FR_West+Ireland+Ireland+Scotland @ 6,144294
    7 FR_West+FR_West+Scotland+Iceland @ 6,152694
    8 Ireland+Scotland+Welsh+Welsh @ 6,157218
    9 Ireland+Ireland+Ireland+Iceland @ 6,183996
    10 FR_West+Ireland+Scotland+Norway @ 6,188291
    11 Ireland+Ireland+Ireland+Welsh @ 6,201987
    12 Ireland+Ireland+Orcadian+Scotland @ 6,2168
    13 Ireland+Ireland+Welsh+Welsh @ 6,224214
    14 Ireland+Ireland+Scotland+Norway @ 6,254174
    15 Ireland+Scotland+Welsh+Iceland @ 6,262802
    16 Ireland+Ireland+Welsh+Iceland @ 6,266036
    17 FR_West+Ireland+Ireland+Iceland @ 6,267142
    18 FR_West+Ireland+Orcadian+Scotland @ 6,268776
    19 Ireland+Orcadian+Scotland+Welsh @ 6,274275
    20 FR_West+Scotland+Welsh+Iceland @ 6,280064
    270048269 iterations.

    Gaussian method.
    Code:
    Noise dispersion set to 0,130062
    
    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Northern_Ireland @ 3,480106
    2 Welsh @ 3,51282
    3 Ireland @ 3,551729
    4 NE-England @ 3,747376
    5 FR_West @ 3,752028
    6 Orcadian @ 3,79415
    7 British_mixed @ 3,837879
    8 Norway @ 3,963829
    9 NW-England @ 4,01821
    10 England_Cumberland @ 4,13841
    365 iterations.
    
    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 Northern_Ireland+Northern_Ireland @ 3,480106
    2 Northern_Ireland+Welsh @ 3,48053
    3 Northern_Ireland+Ireland @ 3,484277
    4 NE-England+Welsh @ 3,492244
    5 Ireland+Welsh @ 3,498547
    6 Welsh+Welsh @ 3,51282
    7 Ireland+Ireland @ 3,551729
    8 Northern_Ireland+Orcadian @ 3,568524
    9 North_Dutch+Northern_Ireland @ 3,588519
    10 Northern_Ireland+NE-England @ 3,596382
    66795 iterations.
    
    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% Ireland +25% Ireland +25% Pl_Kashubians @ 3,321284
    2 50% Ireland +25% Northern_Ireland +25% Pl_Kashubians @ 3,350691
    3 50% Ireland +25% NE-England +25% Pl_Kashubians @ 3,355484
    4 50% Northern_Ireland +25% Ireland +25% Pl_Kashubians @ 3,375553
    5 50% NE-England +25% Ireland +25% Pl_Kashubians @ 3,377875
    6 50% NE-England +25% NE-England +25% Pl_Kashubians @ 3,378082
    7 50% NE-England +25% FR_West_Britanny +25% Pl_Kashubians @ 3,38992
    8 50% Ireland +25% Welsh +25% Pl_Kashubians @ 3,390103
    9 50% Northern_Ireland +25% Northern_Ireland +25% Pl_Kashubians @ 3,398743
    10 50% NE-England +25% NE-England +25% PL_Wielkopolska @ 3,400656
    16526387 iterations.
    
    Using 4 populations approximation:
    1 Ireland+Ireland+Ireland+Pl_Kashubians @ 3,321284
    2 Northern_Ireland+Ireland+Ireland+Pl_Kashubians @ 3,350691
    3 Ireland+Ireland+NE-England+Pl_Kashubians @ 3,355484
    4 Northern_Ireland+Northern_Ireland+Ireland+Pl_Kashubians @ 3,375553
    5 Ireland+NE-England+NE-England+Pl_Kashubians @ 3,377875
    6 NE-England+NE-England+NE-England+Pl_Kashubians @ 3,378082
    7 Northern_Ireland+Ireland+NE-England+Pl_Kashubians @ 3,388965
    8 FR_West_Britanny+NE-England+NE-England+Pl_Kashubians @ 3,38992
    9 Ireland+Ireland+Welsh+Pl_Kashubians @ 3,390103
    10 Northern_Ireland+Northern_Ireland+Northern_Ireland+Pl_Kashubians @ 3,398743
    11 NE-England+NE-England+NE-England+PL_Wielkopolska @ 3,400656
    12 NE-England+NE-England+Welsh+Pl_Kashubians @ 3,403275
    13 FR_West_Britanny+Ireland+NE-England+Pl_Kashubians @ 3,405681
    14 Ireland+NE-England+Welsh+Pl_Kashubians @ 3,407857
    15 FR_West_Britanny+Ireland+Ireland+Pl_Kashubians @ 3,407916
    16 Ireland+Ireland+Ireland+Ukraine_Zythomir @ 3,410361
    17 Northern_Ireland+NE-England+NE-England+Pl_Kashubians @ 3,413395
    18 Northern_Ireland+Northern_Ireland+NE-England+Pl_Kashubians @ 3,414422
    19 Ireland+NE-England+NE-England+PL_Wielkopolska @ 3,419676
    20 Northern_Ireland+Ireland+Welsh+Pl_Kashubians @ 3,420623
    507071728 iterations.
    Thank you Lukas. It looks brilliant. Yes better than before. This looks pretty spot on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lukaszM View Post
    Can you post NW France average without 2 pure Normands?
    NW Without 2 pure Normands:
    0,00 0,00 0,00 3,15 0,00 5,81 0,00 0,00 2,81 0,00 6,32 0,00 3,03 4,94 7,21 17,83 0,00 13,31 0,00 0,00 0,27 15,61 1,14 15,46 0,00 0,00 0,00 0,00 0,00 0,15 0,00 0,00 0,44 0,00 0,00 2,55

    Thank you very much for your work!
    The least-squares method is often better in one population
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    For my autosomal analyses, see Hidden Content

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    Could you add GedMatch T851971 sample to the Vinnytsia (Ukraine) reference group please?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Simon_W View Post
    So somewhat counterintuitively, his German ancestry appears to have been more Celtic and southern than his Swiss ancestry. But it makes sense, considering his father was from the Rhine valley, which was like a highway for Germanic migrations. While the mountainous, wooded Black Forest acted like a refugium for older populations. And according to Tacitus this part of Germania, the Agri decumates, were settled with adventurous Celts from the interior of Gaul.
    I see what you mean when you conjecture a Celtic substrate in this border area (IMO French speaking and German speaking Swiss are rather close). But is it not a bit rash to link phenotypes (metrical characters,stature or pigmentation) with pure linguistic categories (Celtic, Germanic)? Celtic languages are no longer spoken in this region for 1,500 years....
    Could we imagine an 'Alpine cluster' (different from the so-called 'Alpine race'), from French Provence to Carnic Alps with a center of gravity in Switzerland?

    Eurogenes G10: 75% Swiss_German+25% Italian (South)
    PuntDNAL K12: 62% Corded_Ware_Germany_I0103+38% Starcevo_MN_I0174

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