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    Deutsches DNA-Forschungsprojekt

    https://www.livingdna.com/de/deutsch...schungsprojekt

    Hilf uns, die genetische Geschichte Deutschlands zu kartieren

    Living DNA und der Verein für Computergenealogie e.V. (CompGen), der größte genealogische Verein in Deutschland, arbeiten mit führenden Akademikern, Forschern und Genealogen zusammen und benötigen Deine Hilfe.

    Gemeinsam möchten wir die genetische Herkunft der Welt so genau wie möglich geografisch kartieren. Die daraus abgeleitete erweiterte Datenbank (siehe www.livingdna.com) ermöglicht grundsätzlich allen Menschen der Welt die noch genauere individuelle Bestimmung ihrer eigenen Herkunft und ihrer Verwandtschaft mit dem Rest der Menschheit.

    Unsere vorbereitenden Forschungen haben bis zu 24 Regionen in Deutschland identifiziert, in denen wir deutliche genetische Unterschiede erwarten. Falls Deine Vorfahren innerhalb des heutigen Deutschlands oder in einer der früheren Ostgebiete (Schlesien, Posen, Pommern, Ost- und Westpreußen) geboren wurden, dann kommst Du für unser Projekt in Frage.

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    I'm impressed that they have a Süd Hessen zone. Wonder if Germania Superior has a slightly different ancestry composition with the sample population they are gathering?
    Does anybody know if there is easy access to the Living DNA phylogenetic Y tree?
    There should be a German Jewish composition. There are several Ashkenazi basal R1b Y lines that have history right around the ShUM cities. The family histories are long and very well documented. It would be a shame not together that ancestry composition before its too late.
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    YFull R1b-M269>L23>Z2103>Z2106>Z2108>Y14512>Y20971>Y22199, ISOGG R1b1a1a2a2c1b Y14416, FTDNA R-M64

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    Falls Deine Vorfahren innerhalb des heutigen Deutschlands oder in einer der früheren Ostgebiete (Schlesien, Posen, Pommern, Ost- und Westpreußen) geboren wurden, dann kommst Du für unser Projekt in Frage.
    All of my great-great-grandparents were born in Posen and Westpreußen.

    And this lady could also help them:

    https://www.wikitree.com/genealogy/S...amily-Tree-105

    https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Steinbach-105

    Her 16 great-great-grandparents:

    Westpreußen - 5/16
    Pommern - 4/16
    Posen - 3/16
    Ostpreußen - 2/16
    Sachsen - 1/16
    Thüringen - 1/16

    Her GEDmatch kit: A682720
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomenable View Post
    All of my great-great-grandparents were born in Posen and Westpreußen.

    And this lady could also help them:

    Her GEDmatch kit: A682720
    Prussian. She likely can.

    But it would seem any Germanic Jews can not. I asked as some of the Germans I know who would qualify via grandparents' (and great-grandparents) place of birth happen to be Jewish. LivingDNA's response: For the time being we are not planning to have a Jewish cluster, however we will pass this feedback on to the wider research team.

    For some reason that struck me as a bit odd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Calas View Post
    Prussian. She likely can.

    But it would seem any Germanic Jews can not. I asked as some of the Germans I know who would qualify via grandparents' (and great-grandparents) place of birth happen to be Jewish. LivingDNA's response: For the time being we are not planning to have a Jewish cluster, however we will pass this feedback on to the wider research team.

    For some reason that struck me as a bit odd.
    LOL -- they REALLY don't want my family: Apparently we are too cosmopolitan for the study.

    My dad's grandparents: Aschaffenburg/Bad Schwalbach -- 90km
    My dad's paternal g grandparent: Bad Schwalbach/Neustadt -- 290km
    My dad's maternal g grandparents: Aschaffenburg/Aachen -- 269km (and Aachen's parents were from Liege and Tirlemont, Belgium)

    And then one line is also of Ashkenazi descent. Oh well.
    R1b (aka M343) > M269 > L23 > L51 > L11 > P312 > DF19 > DF88 > FGC11833 > S4281 > S4268 > Z17112 (S17075-, L644-)

    Archaeological cousin: 6DRIF-23 of Driffield Terrace Roman Cemetery, York (Z17112+, S17075+, L644-)

    Known ancestors: Francis Cooke (I-M223/I2a2a) b. 1583; John Wing (U106) b. 1584; Richard Warren (M269Hidden Content ) b.c. 1578; Elizabeth Walker (Warren) (H1j mtDNA) b. 1583; John Mead b.c. 1634 (I2a1/P37.2)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Calas View Post
    Prussian. She likely can.

    But it would seem any Germanic Jews can not.
    Here is one GEDmatch kit of a Germanic Jew, Rhea Tannenbaum, from Prussia:

    http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthre...337#post223337

    In Eurogenes K15 PCA, Rhea Tannenbaum plots right next to Ashkenazi average:

    http://i.imgur.com/By2HkpW.png

    Roughly in the middle of the Mediterranean Sea (between Sicilians and Cypriots):

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomenable View Post
    Here is one GEDmatch kit of a Germanic Jew, Rhea Tannenbaum, from Prussia:

    http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthre...337#post223337

    In Eurogenes K15 PCA, Rhea Tannenbaum plots right next to Ashkenazi average:

    http://i.imgur.com/By2HkpW.png

    Roughly in the middle of the Mediterranean Sea (between Sicilians and Cypriots):

    Thanks for this image. I can now graphically see how the calculators score my dad as mostly NW Euro of some type plus a component of Tuscan, Romanian or Bulgarian: The Ashkenazi ancestry is literally pulling his result to the southeast.
    R1b (aka M343) > M269 > L23 > L51 > L11 > P312 > DF19 > DF88 > FGC11833 > S4281 > S4268 > Z17112 (S17075-, L644-)

    Archaeological cousin: 6DRIF-23 of Driffield Terrace Roman Cemetery, York (Z17112+, S17075+, L644-)

    Known ancestors: Francis Cooke (I-M223/I2a2a) b. 1583; John Wing (U106) b. 1584; Richard Warren (M269Hidden Content ) b.c. 1578; Elizabeth Walker (Warren) (H1j mtDNA) b. 1583; John Mead b.c. 1634 (I2a1/P37.2)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomenable View Post
    Here is one GEDmatch kit of a Germanic Jew, Rhea Tannenbaum, from Prussia:

    http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthre...337#post223337

    In Eurogenes K15 PCA, Rhea Tannenbaum plots right next to Ashkenazi average:

    http://i.imgur.com/By2HkpW.png

    Roughly in the middle of the Mediterranean Sea (between Sicilians and Cypriots):
    See that is why I am a little confused as to why LivingDNA says they do not have, or seemed to have considered, a Jewish cluster in their Germanic idea. Jews are generally easier to identify than "average joe" by genetic ethnicity. And having gone through LivingDNA's questionaire myself, out of curiosity to see what questions are asked, they don't ask religion which to me is something of a mistake. It is, after all, not like German Jews do not exist.

    So what do they do with the Jewish individuals that may submit samples, throw such in the garbage? Or merely lump them all together in a regional location [German A + Jew B = Location C's summary] so that people will appear "Jewish" when they aren't?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomenable View Post
    All of my great-great-grandparents were born in Posen and Westpreußen.

    And this lady could also help them:

    https://www.wikitree.com/genealogy/S...amily-Tree-105

    https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Steinbach-105

    Her 16 great-great-grandparents:

    Westpreußen - 5/16
    Pommern - 4/16
    Posen - 3/16
    Ostpreußen - 2/16
    Sachsen - 1/16
    Thüringen - 1/16

    Her GEDmatch kit: A682720
    interesting that GEDmatch (Eurogenes K13) shows a lot more than German:


    Population
    North_Atlantic 37.01
    Baltic 40.43
    West_Med 12.10
    West_Asian 4.10
    East_Med 3.24
    Red_Sea 1.43
    South_Asian 0.43
    East_Asian -
    Siberian -
    Amerindian -
    Oceanian 0.60
    Northeast_African 0.63
    Sub-Saharan -

    Jack Wyatt

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