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J Man
05-01-2014, 10:44 PM
I have always found the Kurds to be quite an interesting group of people. My interest in them has grown even more now that I see that many share the same Y-DNA haplogroup that I do. A blogger who I think may also be a member here has compiled all known Kurdish Y-DNA into one spot on the net which truly is awesome! From the looks of it haplogroups J2a, R1a1 and E1b1b are the three main Y-DNA haplogroups found among Kurds. Other haplogroups such as G2a, L and R1b are also found among Kurds among some others. Here is a link to the Kurdish DNA blog in case anyone else is interested. The Y-DNA haplogroup composition of Kurds makes sense given the area of the world that they come from.

http://kurdishdna.blogspot.ca/

J Man
04-21-2015, 08:05 PM
I am starting this topic for the discussion of the Y-DNA haplogroups that are found among the Kurds. The Y-DNA haplgoroup composition of the Kurdish people(s) makes a lot of sense given their location in the world and what we know of Kurdish history. The Kurdish DNA blog is an excellent resource for all of the Y-DNA studies that have included Kurds and Y-DNA results of individually tested Kurds so far. From the looks of it so far the most common Y-DNA haplogroup found among Kurds is J2a. Haplogroups E1b1b, J1, R1b and R1a make up fairly significant minority percentages among Kurds as well. Haplogroups such as R2, I, T, G, F, L and even Q are also found although in much smaller percentages. A few of the studies such as the Nasidze et. al 2005 one may have some issues but overall the percentages listed on the Kurdish DNA blog look very accurate. From the looks of it then when it comes to paternal genetics Kurds are a very West Asian/Near Eastern population. Join in with some input if you wish. :)

http://kurdishdna.blogspot.ca/2014/10/kurdish-y-dna-part-xi.html

http://kurdishdna.blogspot.ca/

J Man
04-21-2015, 09:22 PM
Bump.

Humanist
04-21-2015, 09:55 PM
From the looks of it haplogroups J2a, R1a1 and E1b1b are the three main Y-DNA haplogroups found among Kurds.]

Are there any other Indo-Iranian speaking groups with such (relatively) high frequencies of E1b1b?

Humanist
04-21-2015, 10:26 PM
Are there any other Indo-Iranian speaking groups with such (relatively) high frequencies of E1b1b?

Just checked Grugni et al. A few other Indo-Iranian groups appear to have significant frequencies, including Azeris, Persians, Lurs and Zoroastrians.

Agamemnon
04-21-2015, 10:37 PM
^^ There's much to bet most of it is M34, Z830 and V13.

J Man
04-21-2015, 11:51 PM
Are there any other Indo-Iranian speaking groups with such (relatively) high frequencies of E1b1b?

Some yes such as Persians and Lurs.

ADW_1981
05-01-2015, 02:20 PM
Kit#N30165 identifies as Kurdish on page 13 of R1b baseline project. I would really love to see this kit get more SNPs tested.

Humanist
06-12-2015, 10:38 PM
Does anyone have any updates on this project: Huddersfield University leads world’s first farmers investigation in Kurdistan (http://www.examiner.co.uk/news/west-yorkshire-news/huddersfield-university-leads-worlds-first-4946631)


ONE of the world’s oldest farming civilisations is to be investigated in an international project led by Huddersfield University.

The university and Soran University, Kurdistan, will be analysing the DNA of prehistoric human remains found in the autonomous Iraqi region.

The world’s first farmers are thought to have inhabited what is modern day Kurdistan almost 12,000 years ago.

Professor Martin Richards, from Huddersfield University, will lead the project which will use archeological and DNA technologies to assess the genetic make-up of the area’s prehistoric peoples.

J Man
09-15-2015, 05:41 PM
Does anyone know if any tribal Kurds have had their Y-DNA tested? I know that Kurds can be divided into tribal and non-tribal groups. None of the major DNA studies that have included Kurds have mentioned of any of them are actually tribal or not. Are any of the Kurds in this blog/project below tribal? Does anyone know?

http://kurdishdna.blogspot.ca/

http://kurdishdna.blogspot.ca/2014/10/kurdish-y-dna-part-xi.html

MfA
09-15-2015, 06:57 PM
There is no tribal data from any study. Most of these are from DÍrsim, from my collection. As you can see they're mostly 1 person per clan it's quite loosy.

Alan (n=1); R1a1a (M17+) not tested for downstream
Ali Şirwan (n=1); J1*(M267+) 23andMe
Areyan (n=1); R1b1a2a (L23+) not tested for downstream
Balaban (n=2); R1b1a2a (L23+) not tested for downstream, J2 (M172) not tested for downstream
Beytan (n=1); R1b1a2a (L23+) not tested for downstream
DemÍnan (n=1); R1b1a2a (L23+) not tested for downstream
DewrÍş Cemelan (n=1); J2 (M172) not tested for downstream
GinÓyan (n=1); J2 (M172) not tested for downstream
Jaf (n=1); E1b1b1 (L117+) not tested for downstream
Kirxan (n=1); R1a1a (M17+) not tested for downstream
Lertigan (n=1); E1b1b1b2a1a (M84+, PF6751-)
Lolan (n=2); E1b1b1 (L117+), J2 (M172) not tested for downstream
Maksudan (n=1); R1b1a2a (L23+) not tested for downstream
Menikan (n=1); R1b1a2a (L23+) not tested for downstream
Pezkewran (n=1) R1b1a2a (L23+) not tested for downstream
Pilvenkan (n=1); R1a1a1b2a (Z94) not tested for downstream
Seydan (n=1); J2 (M172) not tested for downstream
SinÍmilan (n=1); J2 (M172) not tested for downstream
Şadan (n=2); R1a1a1b2a (Z94+. L657-) and E1b1b1b2a1a (M84+) 23andMe

J Man
11-04-2015, 12:23 AM
There is no tribal data from any study. Most of these are from DÍrsim, from my collection. As you can see they're mostly 1 person per clan it's quite loosy.

Alan (n=1); R1a1a (M17+) not tested for downstream
Ali Şirwan (n=1); J1*(M267+) 23andMe
Areyan (n=1); R1b1a2a (L23+) not tested for downstream
Balaban (n=2); R1b1a2a (L23+) not tested for downstream, J2 (M172) not tested for downstream
Beytan (n=1); R1b1a2a (L23+) not tested for downstream
DemÍnan (n=1); R1b1a2a (L23+) not tested for downstream
DewrÍş Cemelan (n=1); J2 (M172) not tested for downstream
GinÓyan (n=1); J2 (M172) not tested for downstream
Jaf (n=1); E1b1b1 (L117+) not tested for downstream
Kirxan (n=1); R1a1a (M17+) not tested for downstream
Lertigan (n=1); E1b1b1b2a1a (M84+, PF6751-)
Lolan (n=2); E1b1b1 (L117+), J2 (M172) not tested for downstream
Maksudan (n=1); R1b1a2a (L23+) not tested for downstream
Menikan (n=1); R1b1a2a (L23+) not tested for downstream
Pezkewran (n=1) R1b1a2a (L23+) not tested for downstream
Pilvenkan (n=1); R1a1a1b2a (Z94) not tested for downstream
Seydan (n=1); J2 (M172) not tested for downstream
SinÍmilan (n=1); J2 (M172) not tested for downstream
Şadan (n=2); R1a1a1b2a (Z94+. L657-) and E1b1b1b2a1a (M84+) 23andMe

These results belong to certain tribes/clans then correct?

J Man
11-04-2015, 11:41 PM
I found a list of a number of the tribes mentioned above at this link.

https://translate.google.ca/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=http://www.kurdica.com/News-sid-Kurdenstaemme-der-Region-D%25C3%25AArsim-517.html&prev=search

Caspian
11-06-2015, 08:10 PM
There is no tribal data from any study. Most of these are from DÍrsim, from my collection. As you can see they're mostly 1 person per clan it's quite loosy.

Alan (n=1); R1a1a (M17+) not tested for downstream
Ali Şirwan (n=1); J1*(M267+) 23andMe
Areyan (n=1); R1b1a2a (L23+) not tested for downstream
Balaban (n=2); R1b1a2a (L23+) not tested for downstream, J2 (M172) not tested for downstream
Beytan (n=1); R1b1a2a (L23+) not tested for downstream
DemÍnan (n=1); R1b1a2a (L23+) not tested for downstream
DewrÍş Cemelan (n=1); J2 (M172) not tested for downstream
GinÓyan (n=1); J2 (M172) not tested for downstream
Jaf (n=1); E1b1b1 (L117+) not tested for downstream
Kirxan (n=1); R1a1a (M17+) not tested for downstream
Lertigan (n=1); E1b1b1b2a1a (M84+, PF6751-)
Lolan (n=2); E1b1b1 (L117+), J2 (M172) not tested for downstream
Maksudan (n=1); R1b1a2a (L23+) not tested for downstream
Menikan (n=1); R1b1a2a (L23+) not tested for downstream
Pezkewran (n=1) R1b1a2a (L23+) not tested for downstream
Pilvenkan (n=1); R1a1a1b2a (Z94) not tested for downstream
Seydan (n=1); J2 (M172) not tested for downstream
SinÍmilan (n=1); J2 (M172) not tested for downstream
Şadan (n=2); R1a1a1b2a (Z94+. L657-) and E1b1b1b2a1a (M84+) 23andMe

There is also an Alevi Kurmanji from Dersim region (BingŲl - Kiğı) who belongs to Şadilli (a.k.a Şadiyan, Şadan, Şadlı, Şahdeli) tribe. He is L1b (M317, PH8) and my closest match at 37 STR markers. I am closest match his too at 37 markers. I've read interesting history of this Kurdish tribe.

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%9Eaddil%C3%AE
https://ku.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%9Eadiyan
https://tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%9Ead%C4%B1ll%C4%B1
http://www.dirban-kizilkale.com/sadililer.htm

Şadilli is related with Shaddadids (so Azerbaijani Kurds) according to sources. Shaddadids (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaddadids) were a Kurdish dynasty, who ruled parts of Eastern Armenia and Arran (Northern Azerbaijan). Kars(Ani), Dvin and Ganja were their important towns and capitals. I'm not surprised to our STR results, after reading this information. My known farthest paternal ancestor lived near Yerevan in 1860s. The distance from Yerevan to Dvin (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dvin_(ancient_city)) is approximately 30 Kms and from Yerevan to Ani/Kars (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ani) is 87 kms. Our ancestors probably lived near this area 1000 years ago. (Our TMRCA is 1200 years according to STR markers)

MfA
11-06-2015, 08:40 PM
Caspian, Do you know his FTDNA #ID?

Şadan is a big tribal confederation, It's amalgam of multiple smaller clans. It spreads great area across the IrAnotalia, They've even been deported to Iranian Khorasan to keep the gates against Uzbeks.


http://abload.de/img/img-1z7omf.jpg
not necessary Kurds were majority in these areas, often not in the dense populated areas.

Le ę territoire tribal des Kurdes Ľ et l’aire iraqienne (xe-xiiie siŤcles)
The "tribal territory of the Kurds" and the Iraqi area (x e - xiii th centuries)
http://remmm.revues.org/3331

Caspian
11-06-2015, 09:19 PM
Yes, of course. I have got his FTDNA ID. I can give it at pm.

Frankly, this lineage seems Islamized native Christians of Eastern Armenia imo. His paternal ancestor probably was Islamized and Kurdified native (Bagratid Armenian) by Shaddadids and mine was Islamized and Turkified native (Bagratid Armenian) by Seljuqs in this area (elite dominance theory). This haplogroup isn't common among Azeris, Kurds, Persians and other Iranic or Turkic peoples, but very common among Armenians of Northeast Anatolia (Hemshins), other peoples of Northeast Anatolia (Trabzon, Rize, Artvin, GŁmŁşhane, Bayburt) and peoples of Erzurum, Erzincan and Kars. Bagratid Armenians went from Ispir/Erzurum to Eastern Armenia (Kars, Dvin, Yerevan etc.) according to sources. It is interesting his second closest match at 37 markers is Greek from Erzurum. Mine too. Our TMRCA already shows Bagratid period.

MfA
11-06-2015, 09:37 PM
Yes, of course. I have got his FTDNA ID. I can give it at pm.

Frankly, this lineage seems Islamized native Christians of Eastern Armenia imo. His paternal ancestor probably was Islamized and Kurdified native (Bagratid Armenian) by Shaddadids and mine was Islamized and Turkified native (Bagratid Armenian) by Seljuqs in this area (elite dominance theory). This haplogroup isn't common among Azeris, Kurds, Persians and other Iranic or Turkic peoples, but very common among Armenians of Northeast Anatolia (Hemshins), other peoples of Northeast Anatolia (Trabzon, Rize, Artvin, GŁmŁşhane, Bayburt) and peoples of Erzurum, Erzincan and Kars. Bagratid Armenians went from Ispir/Erzurum to Eastern Armenia (Kars, Dvin, Yerevan etc.) according to sources. It is interesting his second closest match at 37 markers is Greek from Erzurum. Mine too.

Thanks, waiting for the pm.

That's likely true. But Isn't TMRCA of L1b among people of Pontic area is quite young? (admitedly I'm not much informed about this clade and I recall reading something along these lines. If not please ignore the rest) Wouldn't surprise me if it's eventually from Iran. Since it's low TMRCA, it's likely it was an important person or clan. It might spread the area by old Iranians (Medes-Achaemenid Empire) or Romans-Iranian interactions.

J Man
11-06-2015, 09:41 PM
Some information about the Balaban tribe. Some people think that the Balaban tribe is of Yoruk origins? I think that it is far more likely that the Balaban are of Alevi Zaza or Kurdish origins

https://translate.google.ca/translate?hl=en&sl=tr&u=http://metinkahraman.blogcu.com/balaban-asireti-ve-tarihi/694774&prev=search

Caspian
11-06-2015, 10:17 PM
Thanks, waiting for the pm.

That's likely true. But Isn't TMRCA of L1b among people of Pontic area is quite young? (admitedly I'm not much informed about this clade and I recall reading something along these lines. If not please ignore the rest) Wouldn't surprise me if it's eventually from Iran. Since it's low TMRCA, it's likely it was an important person or clan. It might spread the area by old Iranians (Medes-Achaemenid Empire) or Romans-Iranian interactions.

TMRCA of Pontic L1b is 3200 years in Northeast Anatolia according to Yfull for 3 samples from this region. This TMRCA shows Colchian (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colchis) period. Pontic L1b is already present at high frequencies among two Colchian nations of Northeast Anatolia and Western Georgia, Lazes and Megrelians.

Pontic L1b is also common among other peoples (Hemshins and Pontic Greeks) in Northeast Anatolia and Erzurum-Erzincan regions. Bearers of L1b were Proto-Caucasian tribes (Colchians, Saspers, Iberians, Caspians, Alarodians etc.) before Hellenization and Armenization of these regions imo. For example, name of "İspir" derrived from Saspers (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saspers) that was probably a Proto-Caucasian tribe. Colchians and Saspers were neighbors and today Pontic L1b is common in Colchian and Sasperian lands.

This map shows distribution of L1b and all of the samples in the black line are Pontic L1b.

http://i.imgur.com/0Mgj47t.jpg

Then look at green area in this map and see the similarity.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7e/Ethnic_Caucasia-en.png

I don't think any link between Pontic L1b and Iranic tribes.

Znertu
11-09-2015, 10:43 PM
Hey, I saw you guys discussing my tribe (ShadilÓ) and had to add that I, nor the R1a1a1b2a (if those two results MfA posted are indeed ours) are paternally descended from these tribes, at least I'm not. I'll have to check with him again, but my paternal line is Xiran, my two grandmothers are both of the ShadilÓ, my maternal grandfather was yet of another tribe, I believe, but don't know which. The other guy's maternal line is ShadilÓ, paternal line claimed Seyyid descent.

Anyway, outside of DÍrsim, have any others of the ShadilÓ tribe been tested? I remember having heard that a relative of mine did further research into the tribe, and that there had indeed been an Armenian element historically present in the tribe. It's weird though, my family knows of no direct Armenian ancestor, yet I have some pull towards Armenians, but the other guy totally doesn't. Oral histories further complicate the matter by claiming descendance from Khorasan. Perhaps this means my Armenian pull is derived from elsewhere, or is simply an atypical case of recent mixing. Further research will hopefully makes things clear.

By the way, I had once stumbled upon a site making the ShadilÓ-Shaddadid connection, but didn't take it serious at the time. However, it seems there is some historical ground for this then?

MfA
11-10-2015, 09:18 AM
Hey, I saw you guys discussing my tribe (ShadilÓ) and had to add that I, nor the R1a1a1b2a (if those two results MfA posted are indeed ours) are paternally descended from these tribes, at least I'm not. I'll have to check with him again, but my paternal line is Xiran, my two grandmothers are both of the ShadilÓ, my maternal grandfather was yet of another tribe, I believe, but don't know which. The other guy's maternal line is ShadilÓ, paternal line claimed Seyyid descent.
Anyway, outside of DÍrsim, have any others of the ShadilÓ tribe been tested?


Ok fixed yours. There is actually another guy with E-M84 from Şadan tribe at FTDNA since my post here. R1a1a guy is also from FTDNA. I'm using Nuri Dersimi's nomenclature for tribes from his book of DÍrsim in the history of Kurdistan. Şad is an Iranic word means joyful, merry https://ku.wiktionary.org/wiki/%C5%9Fad . I'm not aware of anyone else, tested outside of DÍrsim.

This is relavent with the thread (23andMe and FTDNA only): http://corduene.blogspot/2015/07/ (http://corduene.blogspot/2015/07/northern-kurds-y-dna-haplogroups.html)

Anabasis
11-10-2015, 10:22 AM
Ok fixed yours. There is actually another guy with E-M84 from Şadan tribe at FTDNA since my post here. R1a1a guy is also from FTDNA. I'm using Nuri Dersimi's nomenclature for tribes from his book of DÍrsim in the history of Kurdistan. Şad is an Iranic word means joyful, merry https://ku.wiktionary.org/wiki/%C5%9Fad . I'm not aware of anyone else, tested outside of DÍrsim.

This is relavent with the thread (23andMe and FTDNA only): http://corduene.blogspot/2015/07/ (http://corduene.blogspot/2015/07/northern-kurds-y-dna-haplogroups.html)

Mfa thanks for the blog. You do a great job. What i noticed is there are some differences between Zaza and Kurmanji Kurds. Due to samples mostly from Dersim region it might not represent real picture along Kurds. While R1b Kurds are mostly Zaza Kurds, R1a, and T samples are mostly Kurmanji. J2a seems are mostly Zaza and have dersim origin as well. Could you reorginse your charts according to religional section (Alevi/Shafi), sub etnos (Kurmaji/zazaki) or regional (dersim, Botan... etc). In my opinion exsistence of R1a is probably because of Med influence, R1b might have Western iranian and Transcaucaus which might be result of Sasani, Armenian influence. R1b might have bronze age origins while r1a seems mostly Iron age origins. T and E might also influence of bronze age as a result of Assyrian or Akkadian semitic influences.. What is interesitng is G is so low along Kurdish people. Those are my assumptions according to historical events but need to be proven in genetic studies like full sequence analysis of Y chromosomes. I would like to know your ideas about that.

J Man
11-11-2015, 03:46 PM
There is no tribal data from any study. Most of these are from DÍrsim, from my collection. As you can see they're mostly 1 person per clan it's quite loosy.

Alan (n=1); R1a1a (M17+) not tested for downstream
Ali Şirwan (n=1); J1*(M267+) 23andMe
Areyan (n=1); R1b1a2a (L23+) not tested for downstream
Balaban (n=2); R1b1a2a (L23+) not tested for downstream, J2 (M172) not tested for downstream
Beytan (n=1); R1b1a2a (L23+) not tested for downstream
DemÍnan (n=1); R1b1a2a (L23+) not tested for downstream
DewrÍş Cemelan (n=1); J2 (M172) not tested for downstream
GinÓyan (n=1); J2 (M172) not tested for downstream
Jaf (n=1); E1b1b1 (L117+) not tested for downstream
Kirxan (n=1); R1a1a (M17+) not tested for downstream
Lertigan (n=1); E1b1b1b2a1a (M84+, PF6751-)
Lolan (n=2); E1b1b1 (L117+), J2 (M172) not tested for downstream
Maksudan (n=1); R1b1a2a (L23+) not tested for downstream
Menikan (n=1); R1b1a2a (L23+) not tested for downstream
Pezkewran (n=1) R1b1a2a (L23+) not tested for downstream
Pilvenkan (n=1); R1a1a1b2a (Z94) not tested for downstream
Seydan (n=1); J2 (M172) not tested for downstream
SinÍmilan (n=1); J2 (M172) not tested for downstream
Şadan (n=2); R1a1a1b2a (Z94+. L657-) and E1b1b1b2a1a (M84+) 23andMe

It is interesting to note that 3 of the J2 Zaza/Kurdish men mentioned above here belong to the J2a-L192 subclade and are members of the J2-L192.2 project.

343979 Solmaz DimilŪ-speaking DujikŪ, GinŪyan tribe, Dersim Turkey J-M172

N100593 Furat DimilŪ-speaking AlevŪ, Lolan tribe, Dersim Turkey J-M172

346263 Sengul DimilŪ-speaking AlevŪ, Balaban tribe, Dersim Turkey J-L192



There is also another DimilŪ-speaking Zaza in this project but he does not have any tribal information entered.

361119 Uyguner DimilŪ-speaking Zaza from Diyarbakir/GÍl Turkey J-M172


https://www.familytreedna.com/public/j2-l1922/default.aspx?section=yresults

wandering_amorite
12-01-2015, 06:29 PM
Kurds seem to have the highest rate of E-M34 (+downstream) anywhere north of the Levant; certainly higher than contemporary Armenians. Interesting in light of the LBA Armenians found with the haplogroup. It's been my pet theory that E-M34 has something to do with the dispersion of proto-Semites from NE Africa -> southern Levant -> north, south, and east, but the local peak among Kurds complicates this (as does the high concentration among Cypriots, possibly). Any thoughts?

kingjohn
12-01-2015, 06:36 PM
the 10 lost tribes were deported to assyria
some of the kurds could be descendnets of them
they could be huge source for e-m34 presence among kurds.
regards
adam

wandering_amorite
12-01-2015, 08:11 PM
Not impossible, but I'd bet against that being the source.

J Man
12-16-2015, 08:25 PM
There is no tribal data from any study. Most of these are from DÍrsim, from my collection. As you can see they're mostly 1 person per clan it's quite loosy.

Alan (n=1); R1a1a (M17+) not tested for downstream
Ali Şirwan (n=1); J1*(M267+) 23andMe
Areyan (n=1); R1b1a2a (L23+) not tested for downstream
Balaban (n=2); R1b1a2a (L23+) not tested for downstream, J2 (M172) not tested for downstream
Beytan (n=1); R1b1a2a (L23+) not tested for downstream
DemÍnan (n=1); R1b1a2a (L23+) not tested for downstream
DewrÍş Cemelan (n=1); J2 (M172) not tested for downstream
GinÓyan (n=1); J2 (M172) not tested for downstream
Jaf (n=1); E1b1b1 (L117+) not tested for downstream
Kirxan (n=1); R1a1a (M17+) not tested for downstream
Lertigan (n=1); E1b1b1b2a1a (M84+, PF6751-)
Lolan (n=2); E1b1b1 (L117+), J2 (M172) not tested for downstream
Maksudan (n=1); R1b1a2a (L23+) not tested for downstream
Menikan (n=1); R1b1a2a (L23+) not tested for downstream
Pezkewran (n=1) R1b1a2a (L23+) not tested for downstream
Pilvenkan (n=1); R1a1a1b2a (Z94) not tested for downstream
Seydan (n=1); J2 (M172) not tested for downstream
SinÍmilan (n=1); J2 (M172) not tested for downstream
Şadan (n=2); R1a1a1b2a (Z94+. L657-) and E1b1b1b2a1a (M84+) 23andMe

I found two more to add to this list. They are both actually J2a-M47 but I will just list them as J2 below here. They are both from Dersim and are only 1 marker off from each other at 67 markers. There is also an Armenian from Dersim that matches one of them exactly at 67 markers and is off by only one marker at 67 with the other. Haplogroup J2-M172 Project Results page 3.

https://www.familytreedna.com/public/J2-M172?iframe=yresults

Kurťshan (n=1); J2
Heyderan (n=1); J2

Ashina
12-24-2015, 11:18 AM
Oral histories further complicate the matter by claiming descendance from Khorasan. Perhaps this means my Armenian pull is derived from elsewhere, or is simply an atypical case of recent mixing. Further research will hopefully makes things clear. My paternal lineage claims Khorasan origin too even though my father's closest Y-DNA matches are all Armenians (one of them from Iran). I can clearly see a Khorasani/Eastern imprint in my autosomal DNA though so a Khorasani origin doesn't have to exclude other influences.

surbakhunWeesste
12-24-2015, 11:36 AM
My paternal lineage claims Khorasan origin too even though my father's closest Y-DNA matches are all Armenians (one of them from Iran). I can clearly see a Khorasani/Eastern imprint in my autosomal DNA though so a Khorasani origin doesn't have to exclude other influences.

Interesting, what kind of Khorasani/Eastern imprint input does your autosomal DNA show?

Ashina
12-24-2015, 11:38 AM
^Higher South Asian admix.

Halgurd
03-14-2016, 09:47 PM
Does anyone know if any tribal Kurds have had their Y-DNA tested? I know that Kurds can be divided into tribal and non-tribal groups. None of the major DNA studies that have included Kurds have mentioned of any of them are actually tribal or not. Are any of the Kurds in this blog/project below tribal? Does anyone know?

http://kurdishdna.blogspot.ca/

http://kurdishdna.blogspot.ca/2014/10/kurdish-y-dna-part-xi.html

Just to let you know I am from the 'Balekayeti' tribe and my Y DNA is E-V13 ;)

J Man
04-14-2016, 01:35 AM
Kurdish result from the J2a-PF5197/Z2397 (J-PF5169, J-YSC0000246) Haplogroup research Project.

289 429046 عشيرة الطالباني-كركوك Kurdish from Kirkuk,Iraq Iraq J-M172

Arabic translation to English. ''Talabani clan - Kirkuk''

https://www.familytreedna.com/public/J2a-PF5197/default.aspx?section=yresults

J Man
04-16-2016, 01:06 AM
A nice update on the Corduene blog about some Kurdish tribes Y-DNA haplogroups.

http://corduene.blogspot.ca/2016/03/kurdish-tribes-y-dna-haplogroups.html

vettor
06-11-2016, 07:12 PM
A nice update on the Corduene blog about some Kurdish tribes Y-DNA haplogroups.

http://corduene.blogspot.ca/2016/03/kurdish-tribes-y-dna-haplogroups.html

I find it odd that since the kurds have between 16 to 20% of T ( Ydna ) , no tribe in the link has this marker ................maybe T was the original marker and dispersed every where and the other markers joined in later to become Kurdish

Arame
06-13-2016, 08:33 AM
I see a lot off I2 Y dna.
But I didn't notice any I2c2. This is strange because in Armenian I2 the majority are I2c2.
It seems there were different migrations of I2 into Near East.

Gravetto-Danubian
06-13-2016, 09:51 AM
I see a lot off I2 Y dna.
But I didn't notice any I2c2. This is strange because in Armenian I2 the majority are I2c2.
It seems there were different migrations of I2 into Near East.

Id bet most of those I are like Armenian ones, ie I2c. They just haven't been tested beyond the basic I (M170). I2c shows up in the Neolithic Anatolian samples.

It looks like several are I2a2, also found in a couple of Armenians. This was found throughout Neolithic & Bronze Age Europe , & 1 in eastern Yamnaya even.

MfA
06-13-2016, 10:52 AM
Id bet most of those I are like Armenian ones, ie I2c. They just haven't been tested beyond the basic I (M170). I2c shows up in the Neolithic Anatolian samples.

It looks like several are I2a2, also found in a couple of Armenians. This was found throughout Neolithic & Bronze Age Europe , & 1 in eastern Yamnaya even.

I2c might show up with more extensive testing, the fact is the ones(n=5) tested beyond M170 so far, all came out M223 or L38, so that speaks out majority of them being I2a2.

MfA
12-20-2016, 10:38 AM
Kit#N30165 identifies as Kurdish on page 13 of R1b baseline project. I would really love to see this kit get more SNPs tested.

Yep, it's very unique 0 match to anyone at Y12 level. I think his closest matches are 2 GD. If only he could BigY while the sale's ongoing.

MfA
12-20-2016, 10:45 AM
Does anyone have any updates on this project: Huddersfield University leads world’s first farmers investigation in Kurdistan (http://www.examiner.co.uk/news/west-yorkshire-news/huddersfield-university-leads-worlds-first-4946631)

Nirjhar007 posted this on my blog a while ago:

Ok, So what happened is that the project got blocked as the Brit students who were working denied to stay long there in Kurdistan, there was no common ground achieved, but don't worry i have some proposals, will tell you after confirmation :).

ADW_1981
12-22-2016, 05:58 PM
I went to university with a Balaban, I didn't know they had Kurdish roots. I asked if he was Greek because he had that classical black curl of wavy hair, but he staunchly said he was Polish. Go figure.